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Post by bigbirdhunter on Nov 25, 2008 14:27:59 GMT -5
I have some questions about the breeding dogs with possible HD. I am wondering how you all feel about breeders who own a male or a female that are themselves ofa good but many of their litter mates are severly dyspalstic? Is this ok? I think it is not. Also I have talked with a few owners of stud dogs (one a very well know western field champion/dual champion) whos dogs have produce a ton of dysplasia yet they are still willing to breed the dog to make more pups. While I don't know alot about this OFA thing, I am concerned with breeders who do this or act this way. When I get my breeding female I want to make sure she comes from good solid stock with good hips becaus ethis will insure her being a good strong dog with good genetics to pass on. Is it ok for breeders to knowingly breed dogs that have a history of passing on gentic defects? I have even heard there are dual champions dogs that the owners breed and sell pups because they think their dog is so special that the breed can't live without their offspring. I think this is wrong what do you think about this
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Post by kninebirddog on Nov 25, 2008 15:21:34 GMT -5
I had a female she failed OFA it was suggested that cause of her breeding I should PENN hip her
She was spayed and went to a hunting home...
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Post by kisakbritt on Nov 25, 2008 16:59:04 GMT -5
NO!!!!!!!!! I don't think it is okay to breed any dogs that are not OFA certified.........EVERY breeder should only breed OFA certified. I have been told Brittany's have a very high percentage of HD. I also was told that it went back to DC Pacolet's Sam. He is in my dogs pedigrees and was in my pedigree's of dogs I had in the 70"s. I think he is in a lot of Brittany's pedigrees. But in those days we weren't as educated as we are now. I don't think it is right that a dog should have to live with HD. Breeders should do everything in their power to try and lessen the chances of their dogs passing on the gene for HD. I have it in my contract that all breeding dogs shall be x-rayed at the age of 2 and be certified OFA. All the pups I have had that have been x-rayed have been OFA certified....So, I feel fortunate. Someone told me that you can never get rid of the HD gene, but by breeding only OFA certifed, you can lessen the chances of dogs getting HD. I would be interested in knowing the OFA history of the dog that was spayed and sent to a hunting home.
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Post by carverbrittanys on Nov 25, 2008 20:17:13 GMT -5
I would never breed a dog that was not OFA good or excellent (but, that is just me). With that being said, OFA is only a tool, it is not a quarantee that you won't get dysplastic dogs. But, I think you can be more confident if you are breeding OFA good or excellent stock to the same, that you hopefully will not get dysplastic pups.....even though you could.
When looking for your new pup, do a lot of checking, because there are a lot of unscrupulous backyard breeders out there in the Brittany world. And there are a lot of breeders that still breed for the money (even in Brittanys).
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Post by kninebirddog on Nov 25, 2008 22:40:01 GMT -5
I used to think like that until speaking with Dr Keller and reading that link i posted earlier
and top it off I have bought 2 pups from very different breedings where the OFA on the dam and sires where excellent to Good and got extremely dysplastic
I will say it again OFA made a very Poor choice of using the word fair
I wish they would go back to your dog gets a number they pass and if they don't have a number the dog failed ....
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Post by kninebirddog on Nov 25, 2008 23:43:20 GMT -5
I used to think like that until speaking with Dr Keller and reading that link i posted earlier and top it off I have bought 2 pups from very different breedings where the OFA on the dam and sires where excellent to Good and got extremely dysplastic pup I will say it again OFA made a very Poor choice of using the word fair I wish they would go back to your dog gets a number they pass and if they don't have a number the dog failed .... |
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Post by bigbirdhunter on Nov 27, 2008 3:32:00 GMT -5
I understand about not breeding dogs if they are not ofa certified...my question is what about a dog who is certified say ofa good but many of his litter mates failed to ofa because they could not pass...is it ok to breed that animal who is certified? what about the genes that are present but showed up in the non passing siblings???
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Post by carverbrittanys on Nov 27, 2008 9:16:15 GMT -5
I understand about not breeding dogs if they are not ofa certified...my question is what about a dog who is certified say ofa good but many of his litter mates failed to ofa because they could not pass...is it ok to breed that animal who is certified? what about the genes that are present but showed up in the non passing siblings??? First, how do you know that the littermates are dysplastic? |
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Post by bigbirdhunter on Nov 28, 2008 0:02:38 GMT -5
Well first you can check the ofa website ans search both the sire and the dam for all their offspring, then you can check all of the offspring that have been submitted. Secondly you can start talking to people and find out about a particular sire. The ones that throw dysplastic pups seem to be well known if you are willing to talk to enough people.
In fact there are some breeders who own dogs that can't ofa but will use penn hip because they can still be dysplastic but are given measurements that most people don't understand and think a dog is clear because they have been given "penn hip numbers' I have heard there is a very well known dual champion that is currently running in major field trials that has been presented on the above stated basis
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Post by kikismom on Nov 30, 2008 15:29:29 GMT -5
That is exactly the crux of the problem. Unless every breeder tests every puppy of every litter we will still battle HD in this breed. Understandably it is impossible to get every pup of every litter xrayed and submitted so we just have to work with the systems that we have. NO it is NOT ok to CONTINUE to breed a dog that is known to throw dysplasia, NOR is it ok to breed dogs that have been positively identified by OFA or anybody else ( PENN hip or even just the dog's veterinarian) as having hip dysplasia!! People who are doing this ( and yes there are breeders who are blatantly disregarding the ABC Code of Ethics that are breeding these dogs anyway) are doing so becuse they are ona giant glory hunt and care nothing for the betterment of the breed.
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Post by kenmoore1 on Dec 3, 2008 0:16:13 GMT -5
I would not breed a bitch to a dog knowing either had a high incidence of HD in their family history even if they were OFA Fair to Excellent. Personal opinion - the animals that do not pass OFA should be neutered.
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Post by JenvyBritts on Dec 3, 2008 21:43:46 GMT -5
Would you breed to a stud dog who is OFA excellent, but who has a full littermate mildly dysplastic???
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Post by nveebritts on Dec 3, 2008 23:01:14 GMT -5
Would you breed to a stud dog who is OFA excellent, but who has a full littermate mildly dysplastic??? I would have to have more information about other siblings & also parents, grandparents, etc before I could answer that. |
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Post by JenvyBritts on Dec 3, 2008 23:55:09 GMT -5
say a niece turns up dysplastic as well, but everyone else is fine...
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Post by elementbritts on Dec 4, 2008 11:07:49 GMT -5
Would you breed to a stud dog who is OFA excellent, but who has a full littermate mildly dysplastic??? I would have to know more about the genetic history of both my bitch and the potential stud dog. But generally, yes I would. |
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