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Dec 1, 2008 18:04:13 GMT -5
Post by touchofclassbritts on Dec 1, 2008 18:04:13 GMT -5
We have a tri that we showed this past summer and he was a multiple best of breed winner from the bred by class. He is currently put up to grow adult coat and will be back out later. As long as they are exceptional I have no problems showing a tri. I say exceptional because the standard does say that it is not preferred. I love showing as the show breeders would say "off colored dogs" and did a lot of winning this year with my livers at the national show this past weekend. Here is to the entire brittany rainbow! Laura Wilder Touch of Class Ranch
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Dec 1, 2008 23:15:17 GMT -5
Post by nveebritts on Dec 1, 2008 23:15:17 GMT -5
There are actually several tri Brittany champions out there. A properly marked tri, IMHO, is a very beautiful sight.
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Dec 26, 2008 8:17:10 GMT -5
Post by blueridgkennels on Dec 26, 2008 8:17:10 GMT -5
I actually have a nice tri-colored male that is show pointed. One judge told me that she had never had a tri-color good enough to give points to before, so she had to use him. I can guarentee you one thing, if he was O/W, he would have finished in just a few shows. I have had judges pull him out, then go look in their book and come back and not use him. That's because the standard say tri's are not prefered. No one seems to be able to tell me why that's in the standard, probably some color blind idiot that is more conserned with color than conformation. I have finished O/W, W/O, L/W, W/L, and Roan Brittanys, but I have not finished this excellent tri.
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Jan 9, 2009 18:15:39 GMT -5
Post by Goldie on Jan 9, 2009 18:15:39 GMT -5
You wrote: "That's because the standard say tri's are not prefered. No one seems to be able to tell me why that's in the standard, probably some color blind idiot that is more conserned with color than conformation. I have finished O/W, W/O, L/W, W/L, and Roan Brittanys, but I have not finished this excellent tri." The year that standard was changed the then people in charge of the standards committee indeed felt that it was a non-prefered coloration. Today some want to tell judges in the judges education program that it is a color that should not be prefered over another color. But if that was meant back then then the few words necessary would be inserted to make that point. About 4 years ago there was a petition out there started in TX that wanted to change the wording in the standard to specifically state that one color should not be prefered over another be it clear, roan, tricolor. I do wish that would get started again and put into place in the interest of the breed and genetic diversity. Since I have been actively involved with the Parent Breed club in France of note in their special summer publication of breed history they quote many of the old historical texts by Munch, Kermadec, and letter's written by Enaud about the breeds origins and development. Breeds such as Irish Setter, Springer Spaniels, thingyer Spaniels, and Braques (smooth coated pointers of various origins) were used. What is interesting is that the type of dog we have here in America came from only one specific line of Origina stock and hence why our dogs have a more settery look to them, with few pockets of Pointer type and the occasional wooley coats that appear from the thingyer blood. Historically the most popular color was Liver but now in France just like in the USA Orange is the most prevelant. Very few Livers exist and mostly because the coat coloration does play a role in the actual texture of the coat for working purposes. It seems that while you can get a correct textured Liver coat, it is more often a much softer and finer coat that tends towards excess. Black being the most coarse of the hair colors with Liver & Liver Tri often having the softest. But interesting as Liver tris are no longer discarded or sold without papers as they used to be even in the mid-80's it is facinating to see evolution in progress.
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Jan 11, 2009 20:57:45 GMT -5
Post by touchofclassbritts on Jan 11, 2009 20:57:45 GMT -5
Perhaps it is true that French brittanys have softer and finer coats in the liver, I have definately not found that to be true in my American Liver Brittanys. My liver dogs have very sturdy coats, much sturdier and more useful that many of the orange coats I see in the ring. I have seen no evidence that a liver brittany would have a more delicate coat that a orange brittany. I would also venture to guess that the reason that there are a larger number of orange versus liver and tri brittanys is due to the fact genetics favor the orange. Breeding orange to orange delivers only orange pups while orange to liver or liver to liver delivers a mix of colors. Laura Wilder Touch of Class Ranch
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Jan 20, 2009 21:05:48 GMT -5
Post by wyngold on Jan 20, 2009 21:05:48 GMT -5
Perhaps it is true that French brittanys have softer and finer coats in the liver, I have definately not found that to be true in my American Liver Brittanys. My liver dogs have very sturdy coats, much sturdier and more useful that many of the orange coats I see in the ring. I have seen no evidence that a liver brittany would have a more delicate coat that a orange brittany. I would also venture to guess that the reason that there are a larger number of orange versus liver and tri brittanys is due to the fact genetics favor the orange. Breeding orange to orange delivers only orange pups while orange to liver or liver to liver delivers a mix of colors. Laura Wilder Touch of Class Ranch Actually since I have both strains sitting in my yard, I do find that as a whole the American dog has a much softer coat compaired to many French dogs. I do find that the Black Tri's also have a much softer texture coat than an Orange or Black Dog. Livers for the 30 years I have had them will often sunburn easily because the texture is different just a tad finer. In many of the older lines one can often see the coat grow out longer in the ticking of a Liver dog. It is this softness that is sometimes detracting. Yes I do agree that different lines will produce a slightly harder coat than another line but genetically it has been shown in many breeds that in a coated dog (Medium or longer) the liver or chocolates can be a much softer coat or have a tenency towards more undercoat. Could be the early influences of the Pont Audmer or the Epagneul Francais in the breeds background. What makes Brittanys so multi purpose for upland or marsh.
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