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Post by azbrittanyguy on Dec 3, 2008 22:46:14 GMT -5
Sorry, I did not want to be a thread stopper I guess my questions were sorta like a T^@d in a punch bowl.
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Post by touchofclassbritts on Dec 9, 2008 21:20:03 GMT -5
Yes, standards have been adapted to take in new adaptations, however, as a whole there are a majority of brittanys in the show and field who still fit the standard. I have shown just as many dogs at the bottom of the height standard as the top so I don't think that changing the height requirements is the way to go. I think the bigger issue is having our breeders breeding true to the standard both show and field. It is not just an issue of field breeders breeding more typie dogs but it is really about show breeders breeding field type dogs. Far too often are there dogs in the ring that could not go do there job (IMO) Laura Wilder Touch of Class Ranch
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Post by JenvyBritts on Dec 28, 2008 13:08:38 GMT -5
I think the key to the whole 'issue' is finding a happy medium to breed to. Not quite the show type, but not all the way the field type either. We need to blend them together, add in some of the show qualities with the field qualities. Breed to improve, not just to breed more.
And the shoe people need to get out in the field to prove their show CHs can still hunt, and vice versa with the field people!
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Post by ohiobrittany on Jan 2, 2009 23:46:32 GMT -5
I have two friends that bought brittanys from show breeding breeders who represented them as "dual" and would make good hunters. Both dogs were sent to pro trainers to be finished both dogs were sent home for lack of bird desire and were unable to be broke. Upon inspection one dog had 1 dual champion and 2 junior hunters in a 5 generation pedigree. The other dog was almost entire show champions with one senior hunter and a couple of dual champions back a few genrations. Both dogs were purchased by hunters for the purpose of hunting wild birds. These men made it very clear to the breeders what they were looking for and were assured that they were buying top dogs that would make great hunting dogs based on their breeding. So my own experience disputes your point about my making generalizations. My comments were made based on my own experience or that of my friends who relied on the word of some breeders. I realize that many show bred dogs could or do make great hunters as well as many field bred dogs..but their is no guarantee. In the above case one friend had the dog put to sleep and the other gave his away to a neighbor. So the concern i have is breeders who have show bred dogs but present them to buyers as "hunting dogs or field duals" when in fact they are nothing close to that and the poor buyer ends up owning a dog that won't work for his needs that were plainly spelled out. In the one case the breeders lies cost the dog his life all because of lies...so much for ethics All I can say is if you want a dual dog or field trial dog, research the pedigrees. As you said in your own quote, there are no guarantees! Therefore your friend should understand that. If he wanted a guarantee, it should have been included in the contract. Ethical breeders will take the dog back if things don't work out for any reason. Maybe more research should have been done in this situation on the pedigrees. I would not blame the breeder for the type of dog. I would blame the breeder for not taking the dog back allowing it to be put to sleep.
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Post by wyngold on Jan 26, 2009 16:23:14 GMT -5
Ethical breeders or not..... NO BREEDER CAN TRUELY GUARANTEE HUNTING ABILITY OR FINISHABILITY. Why? Because you also have to take into acount the human factor. Poor initial care and feeding can and does seriously affect the growth and physical developement. For instance some like to restrict calories in the hopes of thwarting CHD, that in turn prevents weight bearing which in turn can lead to a spindly light boned dog with too much tuckup. From temeprament and training there are so many who like to use cookie cutter approaches to training a dog that I wonder if people think that dogs are no different hand have learning curves and temeraments that are genetically driven. Some lines ie. EVEN NFC have been reported to be "Late bloomers". Sure some lines mature faster than others but it does not mean that they are not or will not make good hunting dogs. It is a time factor issue for sure. Also what aobut the man made faults in improper handling????heavy hands, poor timing, can all confuse and set a dog back in its developement. To condemn a line of dogs whether they have a show pedigree or a field pedigree or a dual pedigree because it did not fit one home or trainers methodology is very wrong....IMHO As to this threads question: Heads w/ small ears, short backs, Lung capacity (many herring guts and slab sides) greyhound builds.
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Post by azbrittanyguy on Feb 20, 2009 19:33:57 GMT -5
Shame on the people who buy a dog without doing the homework. There are no guarantees but as a buyer you should do a little research on the breeding. "Caveat Emptor"
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